Bill & Ted Face The Music and Tenet | Podcast Transcript

Sam Clements

25 Sep 20

After a brief hiatus, we're thrilled to bring you a new episode of our podcast; The Love Of Cinema

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Sam Clements (SC)  0:15  

Hello, I'm Sam Clements and welcome to The Love Of Cinema, a Picturehouse podcast. We on the podcast have had a little break whilst the cinemas have been closed for the majority of this year, but they are now back and so are we with a brand new title, a lick of paint, and we've changed our format a little bit. We're really keen to hear more voices on the show and really celebrate the love of cinema. So Picturehouse cinemas have been open since early August and we've played a number of great films in recent weeks, including Proxima, Babyteeth, rereleases of Memories of Murder and La Haine and of course, the big film that everyone was talking about over the summer, Christopher Nolan's Tenet. The most recent release to come to cinemas is Bill And Ted Face The Music, the third film in the Bill and Ted series, and the first one in over 20 years. So without further ado, let's move on to our feature presentation. We caught up with film critics, Helen O'Hara, and Amon Warmann to get their thoughts on Bill and Ted Face the Music?

CLIP: [No's it going, Bill and Ted?]

Amon Warmann (AW)  1:17  

Helen, what did you think of Bill and Ted Face the Music?

Helen O'Hara (HO)  1:24  

I had a lovely time. No,  I'm gonna confess here, I'm not at all objective about Bill and Ted, like, they are part of my childhood, part of my youth, I have extremely warm and fuzzy feelings for both of them. So just being back in a cinema and seeing them be them was kind of immediately, like, that's at least two bonus stars right there. The fact that I also laughed is just kind of the cherry on top, you know, the air guitar riff on top? I don't know, it's something extra. It's not necessary, but it's really nice to have. So I do have quibbles with this film, the more I think about it, you know, I can see that there is grounds for criticism, I just find it really hard to care about any of them. 

AW  2:04  

I largely agree. The main thing with this movie is the chemistry between Bill and Ted. And that is still there between Keanu and Alex Winter. I will say, you know, I've been saying it for months now, and the film did not convince me otherwise, but beardless Keanu? Just no.

HO  2:19  

Yeah, it's a bit wrong. Yeah, not working for me. The beard is part of him now.

AW  2:19  

It really, really is. But I really like the casting of Samara Weaving and Brigitte Lundy Paine as the daughters of Bill and Ted, who get to take a similar journey that Bill and Ted took in the previous movies, while Bill and Ted themselves take trips to the future. And I thought that was a fun conceit. But yeah, I think the laughs are harder to come by in the second half of the movie for me, as opposed to the first half of the movie, which I think is really, really strong. But this is still – it may not be a most excellent adventure, but it's a most enjoyable one. 

HO  2:53  

It's definitely not a bogus journey, though, like, which, which, by the way, ironically, is an excellent adventure. But I think you're right, I think the problem with the second half and the biggest problem with that movie as a whole, really, is that it doesn't need higher stakes. I think it suffers from a little bit of sequel-itis where they think they have to raise the stakes, and you absolutely don't, it's Bill and Ted, you absolutely do not need higher stakes than they already have. I think all we need there is the idea that they have to write this song that will bring about world peace, in this film, they kind of amp it up. So not just world peace depends on it. But the entire nature of space time somehow depends on this song and you know, that's a lot to put on their head of two doofuses. So that's my that's my biggest question.

AW  3:34  

It also makes it feel too familiar or too similar to other movies like uniting the world is a very Bill and Ted thing. It didn't need the stakes, which you speak of, so. But yeah, I would still say, definitely recommend people see this one in cinemas. It's a fun time. If you're a fan of the previous movies in the franchise. There's a lot of nostalgia here to satisfy you. In that regard.

HO  3:56  

It is really good to see Alex Winter back on screen again because he's such a likeable presence. And you know, Keanu has obviously been Keanu for the past 30 years since they were last together. And I love basically everything. I am a diehard Keanu fan. I have been defending him since before it was cool to defend Keanu. And I think it's just good to see him with a kind of well-loved contemporary again, but I think Winter is interesting because he's been directing. He's done a phenomenal documentary about child actors, which he was back in the day. So it's kind of fun that he still has the old acting muscles and can still sort of pull focus as Bill from Ted because it's no mean feat when you've got sort of an A-list buddy to still kind of step into the old shoes and play next to them.

AW  4:37  

Absolutely was very, very cool to see Alex back on screen again. And yeah, Keanu. I'm just here to that- I just hope he keeps bringing back all his old roles we're gonna see him as Neo very soon again, just, just bring back all the h-make a new, um, Beasts 3, you can do another, oh my gosh-

HO  4:56  

Point Break 2.

AW  4:57  

Thank you. 

HO  4:58  

Much Ado About Nothing 2? Sure.

AW  5:00  

I would watch all of these. I will watch all of these. So yeah, it was good to see these guys back on screen again. 

HO  5:08  

Wait, can we get, can we get a do over on Something's Gotta Give, where he ends up with Diane Keaton?

AW  5:12  

Oh my gosh, yes. That always never sat well with me. I mean

HO  5:17  

Made no sense.

AW  5:18  

It took me out of the movie because it was just so unrealistic. So yeah, it was it was good to see these guys back together again, for sure.

SC  5:29  

So there you have it, Bill and Ted are back. But that's not all. There have been a host of fab movies out in recent weeks. And a big one was, of course, Christopher Nolan's Tenet.

CLIP  5:39  

[You can communicate with the future. ]

[Time travel?]

[No. Inversion.]

HO  5:48  

So Amon, this is probably the second time we've been back at the cinema together since it all began after Tenet, right. Was that the last time?

AW  5:56  

Yep, that is correct.

HO  5:58  

Have you figured it out yet?

AW  5:59  

No. Not even close! I did go from 15% understanding after one viewing to around 35, 40% understanding. So I just need maybe three or four more screenings. And I'll be right there ready for that Tenet spoiler special, you can hit me up with all these questions. As it currently stands? Anybody asking me 'what does that mean?' I'd be like, sure. Yeah, I think, I think that's right. Yeah, let's go with that! Or I just be like, you know what? My friend Helen O'Hara She has all the answers,  she's much smarter than me, just go and ask her. Because as it stands, for me, this movie is a lot easier to admire, than to enjoy for the simple fact that for the large stretches of this movie, I did not have a clue what the hell was going on. And Christopher Nolan is a guy I really admire. I think he's an exceptional filmmaker. I've always admired his ambitious filmmaking, his ambitious ideas, there's not really anybody in cinema doing it like that right now. And I think when he calibrates that perfectly, as is the case with something like The Prestige, which I still believe is his best movie. And then, you know, it's amazing cinema. But I think a lot of the time, I think back to his filmography, I think of Interstellar, even Dunkirk, for me, his ambition, his cleverness, his smarts, detracts from the movie experience itself, which is frustrating, because the way that I'm wired is that if I fully understand, or even if I understand just enough of what's going on, then my enjoyment level rises considerably. And with Tenet, I just wasn't helped out enough in that regard to get to where I wanted to get to, on an enjoyment level.

HO  7:44  

Yeah, I think there's that risk. I mean, I think I was lucky, really in a way in that the first time we saw it, I basically decided pretty early on I think during the Clemence Poesy scenes like not to give anything away, but Clemence Poesy's in it. I decided during her scenes, 'Oh, it's all nonsense. Okay, cool.' And I just sort of relaxed into it and spent no time during my first watch, really trying to figure out what was happening. I just kind of paid attention. And I came out of it with the inkling which then grew over the next few days. I was like, 'Oh, I think it does make sense. I think it does.' And I started trying to think it through and figure that out. But I was lucky that I wasn't at all looking for sense when I first watched it. And I think that is the right way to do it. If you can get into that mindset, because I have enjoyed it. The next few times.

AW  8:30  

I was trying, it wasn't working. Not only because again, I'm not really wired that way. But the film has that line and it's in the trailers, it's not a spoiler, but the film has that line, you know, 'don't try to understand it, just feel it'. And it has that line early on. But it spends a lot of the running time of its movie trying to help you understand what is happening. So you can't have your cake and then eat it too, in that regard. It doesn't help that the sound mix, which has long been an issue with Nolan movies, obscures important dialogue. And if I can't hear clearly, what you are saying, in IMAX, you have a problem. I mean, I don't want to watch this film in normal cinemas. If I can't hear it in IMAX because normal cinemas, their speakers will break, they will have to have technicians in after each screening because their speakers will break. That being said, I did like Ludwig Goransson's work. I'm a big fan of his for stuff like Black Panther and The Mandalorian. And I highly recommend people listen to the score on its own because then you can appreciate it more rather than in the film. Listening to the score in the movie I'm like 'Can you just make it a little bit, little bit quieter? Please?' Please, please. 

HO  9:40  

Look, I have issues with Christopher Nolan at times. And I do think he can be not so much style over substance because he's definitely stylish but I think there is substance there as well but sort of cleverness over feeling maybe and there's elements of that here. It's absolutely a criticism one can make one can absolutely criticise his female characters and God knows I have in the, over the years and would again in this case, I think Elizabeth Debicki is brilliant and maybe deserved better. But I had a lot of fun in Tenet. I really really did. I thought John David Washington was... I you know, I've been a fan of his for a long time. I remember looking him up when I first saw him and I think it was The Rock's TV show. I've totally forgotten the name. 

AW  10:19  


HO  10:20  

Ballers! I saw him in Ballers and thought, 'This guy's really good. Wow, why haven't I seen him before?' And it turned out because he hadn't done very much at that point. But now he's one of those guys. Every time he turns up in something, you're like, well, this is going to be good. But nothing I've seen from him before prepared me for the levels of sheer movie-star charisma in this. I mean, he is off the charts in this movie. And it benefits hugely, hugely from that.

AW  10:43  

Absolutely. One last thing before we bring this discussion of Tenet to a close, we cannot talk about this movie without talking about the fashion, because I need all of the suits in my wardrobe. Immediately.

HO  10:56  

I want the bungee cord vests. I mean, even those are pretty fly.

AW  11:01  

Yes, we should do that together. That'd be so much fun. It looked like so much fun in the cinema. But yeah, that there's a scene where John David Washington and Robert Pattinson's characters, the suits they are wearing and the swagger which they- is coming off of them in that scene is magnificent.

HO  11:17  

The swagger is, is very real.

AW  11:19  

It really is. Yeah, if anybody has Christopher Nolan's number, I need to ask him about the suits. Where can I get them? Where can I buy them? I need them.

HO  11:27  

Where can I steal the money to pay for them?

AW  11:30  

That too.

HO  11:31  

Yeah, I think anybody who still had doubts about Robert Pattinson as Batman needs to watch Tenet immediately and put those doubts forever to rest.

AW  11:40  

I remember when Robert Pattinson was cast as Batman and people were still saying 'that guy from Twilight'. Robert Pattinson hasn't been that guy from Twilight for a while now. And people need to go and check his filmography post-Twilight, because he has been doing good work for years now. And he's really, really good. And this, even though his character for much of the film on first watch is a cypher, but he really does good work and has really great chemistry with John David Washington that that movie really needs because again, you don't get to know much about the inner lives of these characters. It's just not that kind of movie. But he's really, really great. And he's been great in stuff like Good Time and The Lighthouse. So yeah, go and check out Robert Pattinson's filmography, it will be worth it.

SC  12:22  

So that's what Helen and Amon thought of Christopher Nolan's latest. But what did you think? The film has been out for a couple of weeks now and we reached out to a few Picturehouse customers to ask for their thoughts on the film.

CALL-INS  12:33  

I thought that Tenet was a welcome return back to the cinema especially with the first scene which was absolutely heart stopping with the soundtrack. Following that a definite liberal use of the backwards button throughout the rest of the film.

Tenet isn't really a film. It's more a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma but all together, great film.

I really enjoyed watching Tenet. It was like watching a movie go backwards. The special effects are amazing. But the movie was so confusing that I'm still processing it now. 

I really wants to like it as I loved Inception, but I thought the storyline was a bit thin. It wasn't really comprehensible. And I didn't feel any emotional connection to the characters. And I thought Elizabeth Debicki's character was far too weak.

I love Tenet. It's smart. It's got great performances. It's visually stunning, the car chase sequence is just one of the best action sequences I've seen in a long time. And it reminds you why you have to see films on the big screen. It's really incredible. And yeah, I'll be going back for a second viewing.

SC  13:37  

Thank you everyone who sent a voice memo in and if you'd like to send one in for next time, listen out at the end of the podcast or check out the show notes for more information. Whilst we were talking to Helen and Amon, we asked what else they've seen recently.

HO  13:54  

Well, I went last week to see Les Miserables, which is not a singing film involving quite a lot of close ups. It is the new French film from Ladj Ly, which made a huge splash at festivals last year. I think it was at Cannes and it's blooming brilliant, actually, it's really quite tough. You know, set in the Banlieu. It's like the 2nd arrondissement, which is the same suburb of Paris that Les Mis partly took place in but this one is just after the 2018 World Cup. It's based on real stories of police violence and rioting that happened in 2008. But it's a sort of an original film. And it's about on one hand, a new young police officer joining a unit that operates in this in this suburb. And on the other hand, some young kids who are over-policed and under-resourced and have cause to be angry at the police and violence basically breaks out and it's one of these kind of films with a big steady build up that kind of explodes towards the end. It's really really, really good. I mean the last shot of this film is going to stick with you for a really long time it's absolutely fantastic. And it reminded me a lot of a film that's been released also handily, this week, which La Haine, which is the fantastic film from Matthieu Kassovitz in what, 1999 I think was La Haine, which is one of my all time favourite French films. I just adore it. And, you know, it's, it's astonishingly made, like really crisp, gorgeous black and white cinematography, incredible soundtrack, one of the great soundtracks of the 1990s.

AW  15:28  

Okay, now you have my interest.

HO  15:30  

Yeah, I mean, mostly not so much score as songs and so on. Like, there's a mix from Edith Piaf into NWA...

AW  15:37  

You still have my interest. I like NWA.

HO  15:40  

But yeah, it's honestly, if you haven't seen La Haine, you've got to catch up on it and seeing it on the big screen again, after all this time was amazing. So yeah, that's a heck of a double bill. If you're into France and violence, then yeah, you got to see those two.

CLIP  15:52  

[speaking French]

HO  15:58  

How about you, what else is in the cinema that you want to watch?

AW  16:01  

Well, I know that Picturehouse iss doing their Chadwick Boseman season right now, I've long been a fan of Chadwich I was really sort of crushed by his untimely passing recently. And on one level, it will be hard to sort of see him on screen again, that is something that I want to do because he was such a great actor. I think about films like 42, you think about films like Get On Up, and Marshall, there was a running joke in sort of the black community in terms of, if there was a popular black male historical figure that was getting the big screen treatment, there was only one phone call you made to play that dude. And that was to Chadwick Boseman. The common qualities, of course, you know. People like Jackie Robinson, James Brown, Marshall, Thurgood Marshall, who, which Chadwick sort of embodied, but he was able to find the essence and bring out the humanity in all of these characters in a really powerful way. And then that's before we obviously get to Black Panther and T'Challa, which is going to go down as one of the most sort of iconic roles in recent year or so. It's going to be remembered for a while, in large part, because of that performance. Now remember, the discourse was that Chadwick was being overshadowed by the likes of Michael B. Jordan as Killmonger, who's very good, or Letitia Wright as Shuri, who was also very good, because these characters are more flamboyant and fun. And, and sort of, you know, in that way, sort of more entertaining to watch. But if you look at the qualities that person like T'Challa needs, Chadwick Boseman exuded that on a massive level, think about the calm, the coolness, the-

HO  17:39  

The self-assurance as well, you know,

AW  17:41  

The self-assurance, the instinct not to immediately turn to violence, but you know, use intellect. That is what the African king of an a nation which has been untainted by colonisation, yeah, that that is what that would look like. And again, Boseman just did a fantastic job with that role. So he's gonna be missed in a major, major, major way. But it'll be good to sort of honour him by sort of watching them on screen again. Yeah. And yeah.

HO  18:08  

And I think, I think very few people saw films like Marshall in the first place, because Thurgood Marshall is not a figure – he's no one, particularly in this country. And actually, I did watch that again in the wake of his death. And it's such a good film and such a good performance from him, because it's a really, it takes a really interesting approach. It takes this great lawyer and doesn't let him lawyer? Like, so he was prevented from speaking in this particular trial that's at the heart of the film, and has to coach someone else through acting for his client. And it's, it's so cleverly done and it gives him such a lot to work with, actually maybe more than the sort of grandstanding court scenes that we would have expected to see. Because it shows his cleverness. It shows his intellect it shows his ability to analyse the situation. And he brings all that to it. I mean, it just helped me he was such a smart guy, a writer as well as an actor. He just imbued that in so many of his films. I just uh, what a guy. What a loss.

SC  19:06  

As Amon mentioned, we are running a season dedicated to the late great Chadwick Boseman at Picturehouse Cinemas, from now! It's actually started, it started on the 20th of September with 42, but there are still three more films in the season that you can watch. So first of all, we've got Get On Up on Sunday the 27th of September. We've got Marshall on Sunday the 4th of October, and we finish with Black Panther on Sunday the 11th October. Tickets for films in this season are just eight pounds or five pounds for Picturehouse members. And one pound from every ticket goes to colon cancer charity 40tude. They've been really brilliant to work with whilst pulling together this season and we're really proud to partner with them. Do check out the page on the season on the Picturehouse website for more information. We'll put a link in the show notes. I'm pleased to introduce a few of our very talented general managers who started a brand new show during lockdown. The podcast is called Have You Seen This?, and I thought it would be fun to invite them on to our first pod back to ask for their opinions on their favourite time travel movies in honour of Bill And Ted Face The Music.

Ben Hammond (BH) 20:31  

Hello, my name is Ben Hammond and I am the general manager of Ashford Picturehouse. 

Paul Breen (PB) 

Hi, I'm Paul Breen and I'm the general manager of the Exeter Picturehouse.

Ben Mercer (BM)

And I'm Ben Mercer, I'm the general manager of Greenwich Picturehouse. And together we are Wyld Stallyns. No wait, hang on. No, we are not. We are collectively a new podcast, Have You Seen This, a bi-monthly podcast exploring the movie industry and reviewing a couple of films every two weeks. Because we love to actually watch films. We don't just show them. 

PB  21:00  

Oh, yeah. 

BH  21:00  

Yeah, that's right. We're really excited to be bringing you a brand new podcast talking about everything big and little screen. 

BM  21:05  

And the reason that you can hear us right now is that to celebrate the release of Bill and Ted Face The Music, we wanted to talk about time travel. What are people's favourite mode of transportation when travelling through time on screen? Well, I think there's ultimately only one answer, but I think Mr. Hammond  is going to chip in with that one.

PB  21:26  

I will chip in with this one. And there is only one answer. And that is, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, we're gonna see some

CLIP  21:35  

[You're telling me you built a time machine...out of a DeLorean?]

[The way I see it. If you're gonna build a time machine into a car, why not do it with some style?]

BM  21:45  

Thank you so much for taking out the expletive there. Yes, if you're gonna travel in time, there is only one way to do that. And that is with Doc Brown's very own DeLorean time machine. I mean, it's the clear answer here. Which version of the DeLorean are we going for here? For me it's obviously got to be Back to the Future 2, the hover conversion. But is there any love here for the train DeLorean time travel machine for Back To The Future 3? 

BH  22:04  

No love at all for Back to the Future 3 I'm afraid. It's a little bit like the Godfather trilogy. If it was the first film in the series you think it was pretty good, unfortunately it follows one and two. So I have very little time for Back to the Future 3. 

PB  22:16  

Ah, see I think it's really interesting. Maybe it's because I like westerns. But I have a lot of love for Back to the Future 3. I think it's great. Yeah, great jokes, really good set pieces in that film and it looks magnificent on the screen. The cinematography is great. 

BH  22:29  

It probably needs to rewatch because I tend to avoid it just because of childhood memories of it not being very good. 

BM  22:34  

So when it comes to time travel, I was thinking about what makes good time travel and the one note I have here is a production budget. Essentially, if you've got some cash to splash you might as well put it out there on the screen. So you know you're good examples are like a proper set. I mean, when you think of time travel, obviously the Time Lord comes up. Yeah. The famous TARDIS.

BH  22:55  

It's bigger on the inside than on the outside. What's wrong with that? The blue police box is iconic,  

BM  22:59  

Essentially, yes. And also a cracking sound effect, the BBC sounds workshop in the 60s creating that iconic sound as the TARDIS appears. Do you have any other examples of good time travel? 

PB  23:13  

Well, I'm going to go on the complete opposite end of the scale. And if you're Richard Curtis, and you just make Domhnall, Gleeson stand in a wardrobe, and wish really hard...

CLIP  23:20  

[How would I actually...?]

[How is the easy bit In fact, you go into a dark place, big cupboards are very useful generally, toilets, at a pinch. Then you clench your fists like this. Think of the moment you're going to and you'll find yourself there.]

BH  23:34  

Yeah, I mean, it's I'm not quite sure about that movie. Yeah, you said a budget tends to make things there's a fantastic film called Somewhere In Time with Christopher Reeve, romance story, I mean, he fundamentally lives on a bed and self hypnotises himself back in time, but wearing the clothes from that period. 

BM  23:48  

Other examples of maybe time travel on a budget, Primer from 2004, which is essentially a cardboard box in a u-haul service. 

CLIP  23:58  

[You want to put my camcorder inside the box that's so dangerous, we can't look into?]

BH  24:01  

 I'd recommend, there's a brilliant Spanish film called Time Crime that came out in 2007. But the conceit is that you can only go back in time, approximately an hour. But I recommend it as a film if you can find it somewhere.

BM  24:14  

 Any love here for HG Wells' The Time Machine, the 1960s version?

BH  24:17  

Yeah, that's great.

CLIP  24:19  

[At first I push the lever forward ever so slightly, and the laboratory grew faint around me.]

PB  24:28  

HG Wells, the story itself is great and that the actual time machine itself is a piece of art. 

BM  24:35  

Did he not want to put some wheels on it though? It's not very portable.

BH  24:38  

It's about going through time it's not like going through Dagenham. 

PB  24:42  

So a lovely little chat then all about all things time travel and very much looking forward to Bill and Ted Face The Music. So if you did enjoy those nonsensical ramblings of three general managers, remember we do have our own podcast that we will now shamelessly plug and it's called Have you Scene This, 's-c-e-n-e'. Follow us on Facebook, forward slash scene this, for exclusive content, and of course, the links to all of our future podcasts. 

BM  25:02  

Yeah, please come see us on the Facebook page. Maybe let us know about time travel devices that we missed out. I forgot Terminator! Ah.

CLIP  25:09  

[I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle.]

SC  25:15  

Well, there we have it. Thanks Ben Mercer, Ben Hammond and Paul Breen, cinema general managers and hosts of the Have You Scene This podcast. And finally, I was quite keen to see what Helen and Amon were looking forward to watching in the future.

HO  25:33  

So what are you most looking forward to for the rest of year? Because I know what's on my list to see,

AW  25:37  

I think it's still for me, and it's been the case for...even before lockdown. But I really, really want to see Wonder Woman 1984. 

CLIP  25:46  

[Diana, look at you. It's like not one day has passed...]

AW  25:52  

I really liked the first one. In a big way. Gal Gadot really impressed me I had my doubts going into that movie about whether sort of she could take on a role like that, but she absolutely knocked it out of the park. And the trailers for, both trailers for the sequel, have just looked awesome. And I love that Chris Pine is back. I love Chris Pine's fashion. In these trailers that looks really really fun. 

HO  26:22  

The man can wear a bum bag, I don't know what to tell you. 

AW  26:24  

He can really wear a bum bag. Even The Rock, because I look at this trailer, you know what? That's impressive. The guy can rock it. So, so yeah, I'm really, really excited to watch that one in particular. I'm also really looking forward to Bond, Helen, I know that you know, you're also looking forward to...

HO  26:40  

Oh, yeah, huge Bond fan.

AW 26:44

Can't stop going on about it, the amount of messages Helen keeps sending me, 'Bond! Bond!' But yeah. I'm really looking forward to that movie as well. I think it's gonna end Daniel Craig's tenure on a very high note. And you know, he is due for a good one because start with Casino Royale, which is still for me the best Bond movie period in the franchise, I think it's excellent. Then he went to Quantum of Solace. Not so good. Then you want to Skyfall, really, really good. Then he went to Spectre. Really not good. So you know, it's going up, down, up, down, up, down. So then the next one is up. So I'm looking forward to that as well. Not only this Daniel Craig quick break, but Lashana Lynch, looks amazing in these trailers and I hope that you know, I remember back in 2002 I believe at once when Die Another Day came out that there was talk of a spin off movie for Jinx, for Halle Berry's Jinx, that never materialised. I hope that, no, assume that Lashana Lynch in the movie is as great as she's looking in the trailers. And if you know, audiences really respond to that character, that you know, the producers behind Bond make the decision to not make that character a 'one and done' because everything which I'm seeing from her so far, I really, really like 

CLIP  27:57  

[James Bond...licence to kill.]

AW  28:03  

How about you Helen?

HO  28:03  

Well also Wonder Woman 1984, which I just am super super hyped about. Dune as well is a big big one for me. So, Denis Villeneuve's take on the, the Francis, Frank Herbert novel. I adore the novel. I was a big sceptic of every other film version of Dune, ever. But between you and me, I went on set of this one for Empire. And the sets were enormous, incredible, genuinely some of the best things I've ever seen in my life. And I have been super hyped about this ever since. It has one of the most embarrassingly talented casts ever assembled, who apparently kept getting starstruck by each other, which is, kind of fun. Literally every time. I think every time they had a get-together Jason Momoa would be like, 'Oh, my God, that's Javier Bardem', etc. You know, so. So yeah, I just, I'm super super hyped. And I hope that they actually make Dune work this time, because I think they might I think I really think they might. So yeah, that. I'm a bit of a sucker for a bit of Death On The Nile another Gal Gadot film. So you know, she's going to have a good winter, hopefully, although I can't remember who done it. So I don't remember if she's actually going to survive the winter, but fingers crossed for her sake. You know.

AW  29:14  

They might change it for the movie. You never know. 

HO  29:16  

I mean, I don't think you do that with Agatha Christie. So because they're all very kind of finely tuned, you know, that kind of thing. So yeah, those are those are probably the big ones. I know that you know, films have been moving around the release schedule. But I'm, I'm optimistic and hopeful that we still get to see these films on the big screen because that is where they deserve to be to be seen, and certainly something like Dune. And even from what we've seen in the trailer something like Wonder Woman. You don't want to see that on your TV. Do you know what I mean? it's got to be on the big screen, for sure.

CLIP  29:45  

[They're picking my family off one by one.]

AW  29:53  

I've just remembered there's one more film which I'm really excited to see. Coming To America.

HO  29:58  

Coming '2' America!

AW  29:59  

Indeed, indeed. Because Coming To America is still my favourite comedy of all time and it's not really close. I, I might be in triple figures on watching that movie and the way I will laugh hard at everything still even though I know what's coming, only amazing comedy movies can do that and Coming To America definitely does that. So I went back and forth on it initially in terms of 'Do I want a sequel to this? The first movie is so perfect' but the cast, you know, all re-assembling for the movie and with the addition of people like Wesley Snipes and stuff like that, I'm, I'm really excited and I I hope that when the first trailer is finally sort of unveiled, and then you know that that that that excitement is rewarded with no footage that makes it seem like they've really pulled this off because now I'd love it if they did. I love Coming To America

HO  30:07  

It is a is a really great film. It's one of my favourites

AW  30:53  

[quotes film].

HO  30:56  

I mean, it's not number one of all time for me, but it's it's up there.

AW  30:59  

What's the number one comedy of all time? 

HO  31:00  

I don't know. It's probably something like, not to be highfalutin, but it's probably His Girl Friday or, or The Apartment. I mean, and I won't say highfalutin because they're all they're actually like massively funny films. But yeah, probably one of those two.

AW  31:14  

Totally. So yeah, I hope you enjoy this podcast, guys. You can find me on Twitter at @awarmann. That is where all my musings are. And hopefully, when things kick off again, that as well. You'll also find my video edits on YouTube. So yeah, Twitter at @awarmann. Helen, where are you at? 

HO 31:33

I am also on Twitter at @HelenLOHara. Not to be confused with the violin player from Dexys Midnight Runners. And yeah, also on the Empire podcast, most weeks and occasionally in Empire magazine as well.

SC  31:48  

And that's a wrap. Thank you, Helen and Amon. Do check out our social media channels. They are two of the best people, talking about movies on their Twitter feeds highly recommend giving them a follow. I also love hearing them on the Empire podcast. And on that note, that was our first podcast back! A huge thank you for listening. For more information on anything Picturehouse Cinemas related, do head to There are also a few handy links in the show notes for specific things we mentioned in the podcast, including details of the Chadwick Boseman season, which is in cinemas right now. If you'd like to get in touch with us on social media do tweet us on @picturehouses. Or you can find me @Sam_Clements. If you'd like to send us a voicemail on something that you've recently watched at the cinema, send us a no longer than 20-second audio clip and email it to podcast @ picture That's picture house with an S on the end, If you like what you heard, please make sure you subscribe on your podcast app of choice so you never miss an episode. And if you're on Apple Podcasts, please leave us a review and a rating it really makes a difference especially as we're relaunching the show and getting it back up to speed. We'll be back on the ninth of October to talk about a few more films with a couple of new guest critics. But in the meantime, take care and we're looking forward to seeing you at the cinema again, in the not too distant future. This podcast was produced by Stripped Media. It was hosted by me, Sam Clements, and a big thank you to our guest critics, Helen O'Hara and Amon Warmann for taking the time to join us and talk about the new releases. A big thank you also to the Have You Scene This podcast, Ben Hammond, Paul Breen, and Ben Mercer, and a huge thank you to everyone who sent a voice clip in. A big thank you to Coby and Tom at Stripped Media for all of their help getting this episode together. And to Megan and Paul from the Picturehouse team. And whilst we're saying thanks, a big thank you for making it to the end of the credits. You're part of the special club. We'll see you again soon. Take care. Goodbye.

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